Showing posts with label flu. Show all posts
Showing posts with label flu. Show all posts

Thursday, January 28, 2021

Vitamin D, false nostrums, and conspiracy theories: The world has enough real problems

Near the end of December, Tiffany Hsu, writing in the NY Times, discussed “Dubious COVID Cures”. She compared them to the similar nostrums popularly recommended for the 1918 influenza epidemic, when ‘a spate of ads promised dubious remedies in the form of lozenges, tonics, unguents, blood-builders and an antiseptic shield to be used while kissing.’ She quotes the head of research at MyHeritage, Roi Mandel as saying “So many things are exactly the same, even 102 years later, even after science has made such huge progress.”

Even after all this scientific progress and all the advances in health care, people are still fascinated by over the counter magic drugs, things that seem easy, and are often cheap (although usually very profitable), and somehow better than the treatments being offered by the medical community. This is, of course, even more so when that medical community does not have a whole lot to offer in terms of treatment, a particular issue for virus infection, and mostly talks about prevention, about such things as isolation and physical distancing. Wouldn’t it be better if you could just take something that would cure it or make it better or at least decrease the seriousness of an infection? And, you know, there are ‘studies’ that show it works (although of course I haven’t actually read them and would have no idea how to understand if the research was legit) and, you know, there are doctors who recommend it!  Like ‘Dr. Pierce’s Pleasant Pellets promised that the pills — made from “May-apple, leaves of aloe, jalap” — offered protection “against the deadly attack of the Spanish Influenza.”’ Oh, wait, that was from 1918 – but we have Dr. Oz!

This is not to say that some popular treatments do not have benefit, and this is especially good if they do not harm you, and if they are cheap. One such could be Vitamin D, which has been advocated (most recently for COVID-19, but for a lot of things) by many people, some of whom are actually experts. As with many “natural” remedies, most of the basis for this is in syllogism. You extrapolate from something that is known about a substance (commonly, as in the case of Vitamin D, that it “promotes immunity” – a pretty general, non-specific claim), but such claims are uncommonly backed up by rigorous testing to see if it actually does work. (Freeman’s Second Law: Something that makes sense is properly called a “research question”. You wouldn’t want to study something that didn’t make sense. However, to know whether it is actually true, you have to actually do the studies!)

Recently, The Guardian had an article titled “Does Vitamin D Combat COVID?”. It is very positive about the vitamin, citing many important people (unsurprisingly, being The Guardian, many from England), but does stop short of claiming that it will definitely work. The claims for benefit vary: it makes it less likely that you will get infected, that if you get infected you will get less sick, that if you get sick you are less likely to die. Not really quantified though. The reason is that there are studies that show both benefit and not, and none of them are definitive. There is also concern that people with more melanin in their skin, presumably a genetic adaptation to being from areas with more sunshine (and thus more vitamin D) can become vitamin D deficient when they live in areas in northern latitudes with less sun. Obviously, this is confounded by the existence of a variety of other social and medical health risks accruing to dark-skinned people in northern latitudes. Maybe it is an additional one, but it is unlikely that just taking Vitamin D will solve the problem of inequity.

The actual evidence is summarized in a recent piece in JAMA, “Sorting out whether vitamin D deficiency raises COVID-19 risk”. The first thing that you note here is that it is answering quite a different question – whether people who have low vitamin D levels have greater risk (and, thus, presumably, should take vitamin D supplementation), not whether everyone should be taking vitamin D. ‘Research findings about vitamin D and COVID-19 have been mixed and sparse,’ is the key finding, and the ‘Upshot’ of the pieceis a quote from Dr. Catherine Ross, a nutritionist at Penn State: ‘“Avoiding vitamin D deficiency is always a goal.”

So you should take vitamin D supplements if you are deficient (Dr. Fauci says this also), although knowing if you are deficient would require both your having your level measured, something which is not recommended by the most reliable source, the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) for asymptomatic adults (although it is by many who are consultants to vitamin D advocating groups), as well as to know what the level below which you are deficient is: 20? 30? 50? You can find all of these in the “literature”. And it is concerning when advocates have industry ties. Nonetheless, vitamin D is available cheaply and generically, is safe if you don’t take too much (as a fat-soluble vitamin you CAN overdose on it), and Dr. Fauci takes it (same article). I took one this morning.

But the really big question is not vitamin D, even if the evidence is not absolutely clear. Overall, it is pretty safe and pretty cheap and has a conceptual justification and at least some studies show some benefit. The really big issue, as put forth early in this piece, is why do people continue to search for magic treatments that are not mainstream? Why do they often trust their friends and neighbors and strangers on the Internet more than doctors? I don’t know for sure, but in Hsu’s article comparing today to 1918 he quotes Jason P. Chambers, associate professor of advertising at the University of Illinois: “Human beings haven’t changed all that much. We’d like to believe we’re smarter, that we’d be able to spot the lies, but the ability of advertising to maintain its veneer of believability has only become more sophisticated over time.” Unfortunately, we’re probably not. That is why advertising is so successful.

This fear is related to not only mistrust of science (it is hard to understand) but to conspiracy theories in general; recently the “political” belief in a “deep state”, that “they” are lying to us and trying to keep important information and benefits from us. Of course, “they” may be; I certainly do not trust the leadership of our country (or any country) to necessarily work in the best interests of the people, except of the richest, most powerful and well-connected people. I absolutely believe that Big Pharma is only interested in making as much money as possible and selling us drugs which may not be any better than cheaper ones, or none at all. But the suspicion that science and medicine are working to harm us often segues into pretty odd stuff (I was recently sent this nonsense about the COVID vaccine being a plan to engender female sterilization!) (On the subject of conspiracy theories, Andy Borowitz’ recent satire – QAnon merging with the Elvis-is-Alive groups -- is, as usual, not far off the mark.)

I am sure that some of this is the fault of the arrogance of scientists and doctors. A good friend was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and was told by her doctors to “not go on the Internet, to not talk to anyone who has had it, because everyone’s cancer is different”. This is ridiculous, although I understand that they probably get frustrated by people coming up with silly or, worse, dangerous treatment ideas that they have heard from someone, or stories from their sister-in-law’s neighbor. This can of course be much better addressed, with something like “You’ll hear a lot from people who have had breast cancer; it is a common disease. You will certainly look things up on the Internet. Listen to them, but remember you are you, and your experience is not likely to be exactly the same as theirs. Please don’t take any treatments without discussing it with us, so we can make sure there is no danger. Welcome the support.” And, I would be wrong to omit, the big reason that doctors feel so pressured and don’t have enough time to talk to and discuss things with folks is in large part because the big corporations they work for (for-profit or “non-profit”) are about maximizing income, not health.

Still, people seem to find themselves drawn to “alternatives”. They like “natural”. OK, keep your mind open, but remember than “natural” is not necessarily better. Any substance that has any effect, positive, negative, or neutral is because of chemicals in it. That they occur naturally does not make them safer than those that are manufactured.

And watch the conspiracy theories and think about what is important. Life on earth could be extinguished by climate change. That is real. War which leads to nuclear war could do it first. People all over the world are starving, are without housing, without basic health care, subjected to natural disasters and man-made ones. They are being killed, often in genocides. In all countries, including ours, there is structural oppression of people based on race, religion, gender. Wealth is being transferred from regular and even poor folks to the richest at an astounding rate. Authoritarian leaders, and even fascists, are proliferating.

These are real problems, that need real concerted efforts to combat. Work on these. Don’t be distracted by non-issues.

Saturday, January 26, 2013

The flu is a virus!


It is winter and a lot of people are sick. Around here, and around the country, there are two big kinds of sick – one is mainly gastrointestinal disease with vomiting and diarrhea as the main symptoms, and the other upper respiratory infections with congestion, cough, and sometimes shortness of breath as the main symptoms. The first (GI) are mostly caused by norovirus in adults and adolescents and rotavirus in small children (and, recent reported, the elderly). The respiratory version is frequently influenza, or other viruses.  Viruses. Not bacteria, which can be treated with antibiotics. Viruses do not respond to antibiotics.

This is not to say that they cannot make you very sick. They can, and do. Especially in the old and very young and immunocompromised, influenza virus can lead to major bacterial complications and death; the swine flu outbreak of 1918 killed more people than WW I. When there are major influenza epidemics, there is a big excess of deaths. This is a really good reason to get the flu shot. Everyone who does not have a firm contraindication (e.g., allergy to eggs, a previous episode of Guillain-Barre syndrome) should receive the vaccine. People should expect that their health care providers have received the vaccine. It is not 100% effective, but it is very effective, and helps make the disease milder even if you contract it, and it decreases transmission.

It is not a reason to get antibiotics for a viral upper respiratory infection or bronchitis. Pneumonia, yes (even though a fairly large percent of pneumonias are viral, it is hard to tell); pneumonia as a complication of influenza, particularly in elderly or immunocompromised people with other chronic diseases (heart, lung, kidney, diabetes, cancer) is very serious. But these people, who have or are likely to have bacterial pneumonia and need antibiotics, represent a tiny fraction of the people treated with antibiotics for viral bronchitis (not to mention even less severe viral upper respiratory infections such as sinusitis, non-strep pharyngitis, and otitis). Bronchitis is no fun. It can make you feel miserable, create chest pain when you cough, and generally make you really sick. It can also last a really long time – 4-6 weeks of coughing is typical. But viruses don’t respond to antibiotics, even if you’ve been sick for a week or a month.

A recent study published on-line-before-print in JAMA-Internal Medicine by Gonzales and colleagues[1] looked at the use of decision support by either paper algorithms or computer systems in reducing the use of antibiotics for acute bronchitis in a very large multi-practice group in rural Pennsylvania (Geisinger Health System). They found basically two things: both the paper and computer assisted decision support tools reduced the rate of antibiotic prescribing about equally and both did so significantly more than in “control” practices that got neither. Unfortunately, the rate dropped from about 80% of to about 68%; that is, a large majority of those presenting with acute bronchitis received antibiotic prescriptions even after the intervention.

In a “Commentary” in the same issue, “Antibiotic Prescribing for Acute Respiratory Infections—Success That’s Way Off the Mark[2] , Jeffrey Linder notes that the problem with the study is that the “success” was very limited; that is, it moved the inappropriate use of antibiotics down, but it was still many times too high. His comparison is to the use of aspirin after heart attack, and how improving the rate from 30% to 40% would have been inadequate; luckily we are now at 94-99%. Another metaphor, more graphic, would be if we were happy that, over 10 years, the number of people killed by the average mass murderer dropped from 15 to 12!  

Since 2005," Linder notes,"a Healthcare Effectiveness Data and Information Set measure for patients aged 18 to 64 years states that the antibiotic prescribing rate for acute bronchitis should be zero. Despite the evidence, meta-analyses, and performance measures, antibiotic prescribing for acute bronchitis in the United States remains at more than 70%.” He is critical of the Gonzales study because, even after its “statistically significant” intervention, “The antibiotic prescribing rate—an event that should never happen for these patients—in ‘successful’ intervention practices was still more than 60%. For individual clinicians…we need to redefine success. Success is not reducing the antibiotic prescribing rate by 10%; success is reducing the antibiotic prescribing rate to 10%.”


Or less. Many people will say “I got antibiotics and I felt better in a couple of days”.  Almost all of these people would have gotten better anyway. There are some studies that show, in large populations, taking antibiotics can shorten symptoms by about a half-day. (This is probably because of some minor bacterial co-infection in some folks, especially those with chronic lung disease). But not by a week, or 2 or 3. Length of time of symptoms is not an indication for antibiotics for a viral illness. And that half day? Linder points out that “5% to 25% of patients who will have an adverse reaction. Worse, at least 1 in 1000 patients who take an antibiotic will wind up in the emergency department with a serious adverse drug event.”  This is, to put it mildly, not good.

Let’s review this: acute bronchitis, much less other “colds”, are viral and viral infections do not benefit in any way from treatment with antibiotics. They can, however, last a long time, and make you miserable. These symptoms are still not indications for antibiotics. The algorithm used by the Geisinger group, and posted on the walls of their examination rooms, is attached. There are some people, particularly the old, immunocompromised, and those with chronic bronchitis (mostly long-time smokers) who can develop pneumonia, which should be treated with antibiotics. They do not have acute bronchitis.

Doctors and other health professionals should know this, and most of them do. Sadly, however, they not only frequently prescribe antibiotics for viral illnesses because their patients “want them”, but also take them themselves for the same non-indications. Doctors, nurses, and others are among the greatest “abusers” of antibiotics (by which I mean taking them when they are not needed). Amazingly, many of these same health care providers are those who do not get the influenza vaccine, which they should be getting! The justification of “I need to stay healthy, and can’t miss work, because I need to care for my patients and don’t want to transmit illness to them” is wrong on 3 counts: 1) Taking antibiotics for a virus won’t make you less sick or shorten the course of your illness, 2) Taking antibiotics won’t prevent you from transmitting a viral illness, and 3) Taking antibiotics for a viral illness increases the risk of superinfections (e.g., yeast vaginitis), drug reactions, and the development bacteria that are resistant to common antibiotics, which you can spread to your patients. By the way, you also don’t need antibiotics for norovirus or other viral (or, indeed many forms of bacterial) gastroenteritis.

This Batman-and-Robin cartoon illustrates the frustration that many of us feel. Obviously, we cannot even think about literally or figuratively treating our patients that way, but I think one of the interesting parallels is that the person asking Batman for antibiotics is not a “regular person” but Robin, a kind of Batman-in-training, and thus Batman’s frustration mirrors that many of us feel when our own trainees (students and residents) inappropriately use antibiotics for themselves.

Linder says “We should address patients’ symptoms, but for antibiotics we need to tell our patients that ‘this medicine is more likely to hurt you than to help you.’” Those of us who are sick and not health care providers need to understand that; those of us who are health care providers have an even greater responsibility.




[1] Gonzales R, et al., A Cluster Randomized Trial of Decision Support Strategies for Reducing Antibiotic Use in Acute Bronchitis, JAMA-Internal Medicine Published online January 14, 2013. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.1589
[2] Linder, J, “Antibiotic Prescribing for Acute Respiratory Infections—Success That’s Way Off the Mark” JAMA-Internal Medicine Published online January 14, 2013. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.1984

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